Amp install questions..

[DaCubanSkillz]

Sup folks?  well I plan on installing some new speakers, amp and headunit in my sis's 93 corolla.  I have a few questions tho, more are some questions just to double check and see if I"m correct.

1.  Amp Install...I have a RF Punch 200a4.  I know how to mount it and get power to it.  However, (from what I remember) the 2 pairs of RCA jacks that ran from the headunit to the back go in on one side.  The other side has these holes labeled LR, RR, LF, RF.  do I have to run wires from these holes to the interior speakers?  I believe I do since thats how it was installed on the Rolla.  If so where do I get these speaker wires at?

2.  on the 93 rolla, I saw that the radio is on the top of the console and the tape deck is located towards the bottom.  does anyone know if a regular headunit will fit in the radio section of the car?  


I've watched installs before and I have a general idea as to what to do, however, this will be the first time I do the ENTIRE audio system by myself.  this is why I want to double check before i go ahead and do things.  Also, what kind of speakers would anyone recommend.  I was thinking Pioneers since its only the interior speakers.

[DaCubanSkillz]

not necessary to add an amp?  or not necessary to run the wires to the speakers from the amp?  



also..what do you mean run the rca's seperate from the power?  you lost me there.  She's not getting any boom..lol.  its not really HER car but my dad's car.  so I just need to do the radio and interior speakers.  

better yet..should I even install the amp?  I know the speakers will work just fine without it.  but i got told that adding the amp will make it sound better.  but she only needs this ride to go to school in and what not.  I'm just about to say F it and just do the radio install and then connect the speakers.  but ur input is HIGHLY appreciated

[DaCubanSkillz]

OHHHH...I get what you mean.  That makes sense since thats what they did to the rolla..they ran the rca's on the other side of the car by itself instead of running it by the drivers side.

ok one and last final question (hopefully.).  waht guage should I use for the speakerwire.  there's 18 guage, 16, 14 and 12 guage.  I'm looking at pics and 18 looks simliar to what I may have had before.  but you know pics can be deceiving (sp).  Once I get the guage info, I'm off to order the stuff from crutchfield.  this should definately be an interesting learning expierence..especially with the dash/center console removal to get to the radio...

[DaCubanSkillz]

well I'm gonna go visit the fam this weekend since its a 3 day weekend for me (Thanks Martin Luther King, Jr.   ).  as far as which day..I don't know.  and where?  I dunno either..lmao.  most likely in the parking structure at my dad's place.  I just want to order everything and hopefully it'll get here by friday.  Crutchfield says 2-3 business days for delivery so I should be good.

I've had the Pioneer 2 ways before hooked up to that amp and it was good.  i never blew them out.  but tell me what you think...(keep in mind my sis is on a budget).  i'm giving her the amp and the headunit (last years premier model from Pioneer).

Here are the speakers I'm looking at (keep in mind my sis is on a budget)

Rear Deck:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-cDoj3ccMqWF/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=130TSA1370&s=0&cc=01

Front:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-cDoj3ccMqWF/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=130TSG1040&s=0&cc=01

[DaCubanSkillz]

aight cool!  I'm gonna place the order for those speakers and some 16 guage speaker wire.  now I just gotta figure out how to take the center console apart..lol.

[Martin11581]

hEY wIL, IF U WANT I HAVE THE HAYNES MAnaul and it tells you how to take aprt the 93 rolla

[DaCubanSkillz]

hEY wIL, IF U WANT I HAVE THE HAYNES MAnaul and it tells you how to take aprt the 93 rolla

sounds good!  PM me ur # so I can call u up.  I'll come to ya if u'll let me borrow the book.  or if u want..just make photo copies on how to take apart the console area and u can mail them to my moms addy so it'll be there first thing I see when i Get there! lol.  just PM me and we'll see whats up.

[Martin11581]

973-340-3692 CALL AFTER 7PM

[Martin11581]

U CRAZY MAN! AT 3AM I AM PLAYING ON XBOX LIVE! CANT INTERUPT ME OR MY RANK WILL GO DOWN  8O  :twisted:

[DaCubanSkillz]

lol..3 huh?  lol.  I'll keep that in mind.lol.  well i did get someone to explain to me that the plastic trim around the radio pops off.  I gotta take 2 screws out and the knobs off.  so i don't think i'll need the manual.  hopefully I can get this done...the stuff got ordered so now its just a waiting game.  now all my sis needs is a small alarm for the car.

[DaCubanSkillz]

another question (s)..lol

I just got home and took everything out to check it out.  I found everything and see where you said run the remote wire with the speaker/rca wires.  they were all taped together from the previous install done at mobile sound.  

now..I found this one wire and traced it back to the amp and tube.  where it plugs into the amp it says REM.  I'm guessing that means remote.  I'm good right there.  now here's my question.  where does the remote wire hook up to on the back of the radio?  to which wire?  I'm looking at all the wires and the only one left over is the blue one on the harness and a blue w/white stripe one on the harness that comes with the radio.  

is that the wire I hook up the remote to?  also, when i run the speaker wire from the amp, i can wire it str8 to the grey and white wires?? if so, do i splice the headunit harness or the other part of the harness (I guess it wouldn't make a difference but i could be wrong)?

now just an off the wall question.

there are grey, white, green, and purple wires on the harness'.  they all have the same writings on it. RL, RR, etc.  whats the difference between the grey and white and the green and purple wires??  

i also was gonna ask what the b+ plug was for and I figured outt hat was the power..lmao.  i was like wtf is the hole next to the ground for?!?!  then I figured it out and I was like D'OH!!!

[laz]

the blue wire is the remote wire and that is what you need. You have to splice the amp wires into the wires going to the speakers, and make sure they are not connected to the radio in any way or you will blow up both your radio and amp. The green white grey and purple wires are for the speakers, and since you are using an amp you will not need them. On a typical wiring harness this is what they stand for:

purple with black stripe = right rear speaker (-)
purple = right rear speaker (+)

grey with black stripe = right front speaker (-)
grey = right front speaker (+)

white with black stripe = left front speaker (-)
white = left front speaker (+)

green with blac stripe = left rear speaker (-)
green = left rear speaker (+)

Hope this helps.

X

[laz]

**stickied**  :cool:

[DaCubanSkillz]

Chris is right..this is very helpful info..lol.  so rule of thumb is not to wire the speaker wires to the harness but to the actual speaker wire that connects to the speaker or just connect it directly to the actual speaker.  correct?

if i'm being an idiot just let me know..lol.  i'm just nervous about doing it for the first time by myself.  lol.

[laz]

If you are running an amp then that is correct. If you are mounting the amp in the back you can run the back speakers straight from the amp, no need to go into the wiring harness, for the front you can run a pair of speaker cables and connect them to the side of the harness going to the speakers. It is ok to use the stock cables as long as the wire harness is not also connected to the radio. you will have to cut the cables to separate them from the radio. Don't worry, once you see it it will be very easy.  :cool:  Harder to do in the mind!

[DaCubanSkillz]

If you are running an amp then that is correct. If you are mounting the amp in the back you can run the back speakers straight from the amp, no need to go into the wiring harness, for the front you can run a pair of speaker cables and connect them to the side of the harness going to the speakers. It is ok to use the stock cables as long as the wire harness is not also connected to the radio. you will have to cut the cables to separate them from the radio. Don't worry, once you see it it will be very easy.  :cool:  Harder to do in the mind!

now its understood.  thanks for making that clear.  I will seperate the speaker wires from the wiring harness on the back of the radio and i will wire the speakers directly from the amp.  just makes things easier.

[DaCubanSkillz]

yes yes...thanks to all.  thanks for being patient with me for hte most part..lol.  i know if I would of asked this question somewhere else, I would of gotten halfazz answers.  but not here!!!!  

thanks again yall.

[DaCubanSkillz]

if you need help and get stuck on saturday you got my cell number bro....i can swing by or something

Will do!  I actually thought about it this morning and was like hmm...this thing should have come with an owners manual.  Then I realized that mobile sound may have kept it when they did the install..so I went to the RF website and looked at the manual.  it makes alot more sense now ever since I looked at the diagrams and read the instructions.  Like X said, when trying to do it in ur mind, its hard.  but when you see it, its a different story.  and sure enough, he was right.  

[laz]

Yes, it is almost like a right of passage from being a boy to becoming a man. You spend so many years thinking about it and how hard it is goign to be until you finally do your thing and think back and see that it was not as hard. The animal instinct just kicks in and you get your job done!  :lol:

Anyway, back to wiring, if you can take some pics so we can save it in memory as your first time!  :cool:  

X

[TRD93LE]

If you need help and I am off  from work that day, i can help you with the install. I own a 1993 Corolla that I have taken apart a few times and back.

[excelon72]

Hey Whats Up. Are You Using The Factory Head Unit? If You Have Any Questions Or Need Any Help Car Audio Is My Thing Its More Important To Me Than Speed Or Sex Lol. I Have Tonsssss Of Specialty Tools And Have Been Doing It As An Obsession For About 12 Years. 16 Gauge Is Fine The Gauge Is Dependant On 2 Things Distance From Amp And The Wattage. If You Have A Corrolla With 50 Watts Rms Or Less Than 16 Gauge Is Fine If You Have A Few More Feet Say A Camry Or Suv And/or Are Running More Power Then Bounce It Up. If You Have Your Amo Maxed (sensitivity And Gain) Then Maybe 14 Is Bette For You. If You Are Using The Factory Head Unit Use Line Out Converters. Also If You Have A Multi Channel Amp And Plan To Add Anything I The Future Put 4 Gauge Power And Ground With A Distribution Box In The Trunk For Future Upgrades.

do It Once  ,do It Right.

[TRD93LE]

Cool ,  thanks for the response....since the thread was written I upgraded to 4 gauge power wires oxygen free copper. My problem is the ALPINE equalizer ERA-G320 does not work in-line with my CVA-1003 head Unit and the DVA-5205 DVD player, MP3 CD changer CHA-634S. ALl units are AiNet compatible, but when I connect the EQ, the system does nothing when it comes to the Audio. Here is my break down of the ALPINE system:
CVA-1003 HEAD UNIT
ERA-G320 EQUALIZER
DVA-5205 DVD PLAYER
TUA-T020XM XM TUNER MODULE
CHA-634S MP3 CHANGER
MRD-M500 (2) MONO AMPLIFIERS
SWR-1242D (2)12" DUAL 4 OHMS VOICE COIL SUBS

Everything works fine together as long as I do not connect the EQ.

[excelon72]

is the eq graphic or band type?  seperate eq's are a relic of the past most good headunits your included include sound processors that allow you to do what your eq did and much more. which is why alpine,kenwood and pioneer no longerPRODUCE graphic eq's .they still sell them but they are not currently in production beyond what they already have.  beyond just looks the eq sound contouring is not as capable as your eq and your eq is inbetween the head unit and the amp yes??? the rcas should come out of head unit go into eq then to amp. also what about the fuse to you eq or did you not install a small 10 0r 15 amp inline fuse?

[TRD93LE]

No it's not a graphic EQ. It's actually called a "SOUND FIELD PROCESSOR" and it's AiNet compatible. I had it connected between the head unit and the DVD player. It already comes with a fuse on the unit itself. it has a GRAPHIC DISPLAY UNIT. It can also be view and controlled by the head Unit. But it does not come up in the AiNet circuits from the head Unit. It's a ERA-G320 the LAST of it's kind before the digital PHX processors came out. I can connect the analog RCA part and it works fine with ALPINE and none ALPINE units. But, the best part of having a AiNEt unit is that it ALL can be controlled by the HEAD UNIT. At least it's suppose to be controlled by it. The SUB-OUT from the CVA-1003 head unit is currently attached directly into the ALPINE MRD-M500 amplifiers. I will try that next and see what the system sounds like?

[excelon72]

nice i looked it up very nice. i was 2 days away from going with an all alpine system when i changed my mind but anyone that knows anything about stereos know alpine is awesome. not my cup of teas but bad ass none the less awesome. very nice.