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As some of you may know, the day of our little trip to the CT Meet, we had a close call that might have wiped out X, Rob and possibly myself. Moving @ speeds close to 100mph, then all of a sudden coming to a dead stop cause some of our eyes to open right up...
Enough with the babble...
X, do you think that having your Brembo Crossed Drilled Rotors played a significant part in saving your car and yourself from damage?
Brembo Crossed Drilled Rotors will be my next MOD...
Which type should I get? Ebay? Names of one's that don't rust, etc... Price is of no priority here, due to the importance of this MOD...
Hit me back your opinions...
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2004, 04:50:08 PM » |
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it is in fact my next mod too beside the body work and paint job it's about time to upgrade my brake since i have to replace them anyway i shop around and see alot of different type on ebay and other online shop X told me that only get DRILLED and not slotted or drilled+slotted i found this on ebay which is very cheap and even come with cadminum plate service http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33564&item=2475675273&rd=1but i think i'd still go with brembo because when it comes to brake parts i need to find a trusted the company name let me know what you end up buying maybe we can DIY together with the help of our suspension/brake expert LAZ |
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2004, 05:12:27 PM » |
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I have Genuine Brembo Crossdrilled/Slotted Rotors, and they do make a slight difference in braking. Check on ebay for a company by the name of CCrotorworks. Thats where I got mine, and I believe they were 85 USD plus shipping. Excellent company!  |
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2004, 05:35:11 PM » |
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Hey Nick, i may also be getting some.. But i have to get my speakers, and camber situations taken care of 1st. If you run into any good deals, let me know..
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2004, 06:04:33 PM » |
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Yes as Nick has said it that little experience really woke us up! Originally I bought my Brembo Cross Drilled rotors because I was tired of having my stock rotors warp every 5 thousand miles! I guess in city traffic you do a lot of braking, and the heat was just getting to them. I did some research and I found that they guy from corollaperformance.com had upgraded his rotors and spoke highly of the Brembo Cross Drilled Rotors machined by kvrperformance.com based out of Canada. I did some more research and found out that even though the cross drilled rotors sometimes were prone to cracking if machined correctly they should last a long time. The key to the cross drilling is that the holes need to be beveled so that they are softer to the pad when in contact. I heard and read the slots is only good for competition scenes since they will wear the pad a lot faster, which is what you want in racing to keep the pad at is best working surface. Also the slots do not contribute to any cooling of the rotor which is what you want in order to avoid warpage. I stand behind kvrperformance and their cross-drilled machined brembo rotors. I have had them for almost 4 years and they have been nothing but good to me. I think Rich posted a site here somewhere where they sell the same Brembo KVR machined rotors for a little less money. So the quality of the rotor is important, but so is the machining. Also if you are getting these rotros make sure you get them cadmium plated. I regret not doing it, but my rotors have still held up well! :cool: Honestly I think that day of the incident it was a mixture of the upgraded rotors, suspension equipment, good driving skills by yours truly :lol:  , and most of all, lady luck working in our favor! *Here is to the brake gods! May they always sleep with us!* |
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2004, 11:56:26 PM » |
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Those look good. What's the difference between Zinc plated and Cadminum plated?
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2004, 01:32:39 AM » |
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nick or whoever is gonna get the rotors
let's buy them together and install them together
it's gonna be a fun meeting
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2004, 06:33:17 AM » |
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Hey I'm down for a group buy!!
Let's see if KVR can give us a good deal on rotors and pads.
I heard that the Carbon Fiber pads from KVR are top quality.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2004, 08:13:14 AM » |
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I would never buy a no name brand rotor
Plated or not you have no Idea what type of material was used in the manufacturing process.
Brakes are your life...so why settle for cheap?
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2004, 08:13:40 AM » |
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The shop I buy all my stuff from and who does all my mechanic work is a KVR dealer. I'll ask him what kinda pricing he can do.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2004, 08:16:45 AM » |
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Yes pls do that... Couple of us have 1998's, one Matrix... Not sure about the rest... Don't forget to tell them we need them Cadminum plated to prvent rust...
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2004, 09:38:59 AM » |
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Hey guys InNeedOfH2O was nice enough to PM me the site where he got his rotors from: http://www.pureperf.com/And here is the listing for the Toyota specific rotors: http://www.pureperf.com/brakes/Toyota_crossdrillled_rotor_appl.htmlTHey are a reseller for KVR, and they are listing the front rotors at around $73 per rotor. Fusskin, I originally bought the Carbon Fibre pads with my rotors, and boy did they suck! They were really noisy, and did not work properly. I returned them for a refund. |
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2004, 09:41:26 AM » |
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Those Carbon Pads are "Race only" arent they? If so, that means they have to heat to unbelievable temps to work properly. :mad:
I saw a set of racing pads for a 300ZX that were 298 USD, and they would withstand 700 Degrees. 8O
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2004, 11:57:13 PM » |
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does my 01 rolla have the same rotors as the 98-99? i dont see my gen rolla in thier list...
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2004, 06:55:14 AM » |
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Martin your rotors are exaclty the same. I think 93-02 are exactly the same. Not sure about older ones or newer models.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2004, 10:07:20 AM » |
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so are we working a group buy on this? someone say groupbuy.......im in. |
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2004, 03:16:01 PM » |
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i'm in for a group but aS WELL.. BUT WHEN?
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2004, 04:53:15 PM » |
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So who is gonna take the lead on this?
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2004, 05:08:52 PM » |
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i can do it
first, which brand/model do we perfer?
you guys wanna go cheap with ebay one (around $90-120shipped)
or go with the same thing Xaiver got the KVB one? ($150-180shipped)
personally I don't mind since if paying extra $30-40 give me something
better it's well worth it...
second, please specific your model here, i need to know how many
93-02 and how many 03+ and how many matrix (and what model of matrix) then I also need to know whether you want new pads with your
order or not...
after that I will email all these companies and come back with a price
quote...ok?
would it be ok if everything ship to one address? this way I guess
we can save even more $
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2004, 05:43:43 PM » |
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Yeah Tony sounds good.
I rather pay the extra and go with the KVB. Let's make sure that they're Cadminum plated to prvent rust. And let's get them in Silver, since I think they sell Gold one's as well.
I have a 98 Rolla...
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2004, 05:55:01 PM » |
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i just email them for the KVB rotors asking for a price for each pair
of rotors if we have 5+buyers
how many of you need the pads also? and how many
of you want the CAD plated done?
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2004, 11:25:37 PM » |
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I need a pair for my fronts, no pads, both Cad plated...
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2004, 07:47:03 AM » |
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i was thinking about getting them myself.......but im torn between and aem Brembo doesn't make a bir brake kit for our car if that's what you're talking about. AEM has the best setup since they provide both front and rear, but about 70% of your stopping is coming from the front brakes anyway. Eitehr way you'll need new wheels there's not enough clearence on the oem 17s. I almost had a set of the aems, but this was when I ahd the 17s. I wouldn't suggest the cross drilled if you do alot of had braking. My friend got the brembo crossdrilled/slotted rotors for his celica gts and he cracked 2 of them, then went to just the slotted and hasn't had a problem since and he also said that braking was better with just the slotted. He does alot of autoX's. If you go for just rotors and you want slotted I would suggest the powerslot rotors. They use high quailty rotors, such as Brembo, and make their own slots |
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2004, 11:09:34 AM » |
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i have an 01 rolla. i also need pads. I dont mind spending the extra money if its better quality
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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2004, 09:57:33 PM » |
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2004, 01:34:06 AM » |
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thats not what we wanted martin we want DRILLED rotors not slotted listen to what Xaiver said..he's the expect |
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2004, 06:39:52 AM » |
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expect :lol:
I've heard city drivers should stay away from slots cause they eat up pads....never had them personally.
And you should change pads at the same time as rotors.
And DO NOT use lifetime pads on either
They will chew em up
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2004, 10:22:09 AM » |
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damn to bad i dont have ride if not i would of jump on dis group buy also i suggest everyone to do so braking is a very importance in ur ride especially if u gonna be following X, chris or jeff to meets.
once i get back in a rolla no matter wut yr this will diffently be one of the top mods on my list.
good luck guys
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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2004, 03:23:49 PM » |
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I'm down for the group buy, Tony you already know my car specs..
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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2004, 05:18:02 PM » |
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tony, 98 here
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2004, 10:29:42 PM » |
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I guees everyone here knows my spec as well..01 rolla
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2004, 07:18:42 PM » |
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Whats the latest on this? any good deals anywhere?
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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2004, 10:29:04 PM » |
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guys dont forget this. i really need to upgrade my brakes :-)
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« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2004, 01:00:31 PM » |
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On the topic of brakes.. My next mod will most likly be brakes. I'm VERY hard on my brakes, and would like to upgrade. You thing the Brembo's are for me? or something else? My ONLY requirement other than being affordable is that they are SILENT.
What do you guys think?
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« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2004, 01:14:07 PM » |
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ok, forget the money... Mostly I drive on Long Island. Combo Highway/Local streets stop and go.
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« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2004, 01:35:31 PM » |
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I have front disc only... eventually i'd like to convert the rear..
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« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2004, 01:50:11 PM » |
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I just read this whole thread and have to ask, Laz are you sure the brakes work properly? Braking power should be directly proportional to weight distribution. Cars with front mounted engines and front wheel drive should have braking biased toward the front. I'd be careful if the front activated early and did 100% work while the rear did little to nothing. You'll probably experience brake fade much sooner if you use your brakes a lot.
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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2004, 02:02:48 PM » |
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Well, the surface of the brake rotor is not any larger, nor do they have a shorter stoppping distance than OEM. The cross drilling is mainly for heat dissipation which under normal use and braking keeps the pads and rotors cooler making the brakes fade less. That was a mouthfull!!!
Anyway, my original problem was having my OEM rotors warp, and after having these cross drilled rotors, that problem has vanished. I have definitely noticed less fading with the cross drilled, but this is all under normal use, and some abuse. Since I have never been in a track, I would not know how they react to track use, or what benefits they would bring.
For my particular problem these rotors have worked out very well. I guess you can say that having the holes in them does help with the fading and warping. One other side benifit is that the brake dust does not go all over the rim but into the holes therefore greatly disminishing the ugly dust on the rims.
I have not noticed any unbalanced braking, or any tendency for the front to try to catch sooner than the back. As far as I know besides a caliper gasket having a little hole in it, everything with my brake system is in good working order.
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« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2004, 02:42:17 PM » |
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I see, I assumed the upgraded rotors were bigger. I remember some guys on vvti.net were doing this a while ago.
I tend to brake hard and put a lot of load on the front wheels. I just had my rotors resurfaced. Sadly, the dealer couldn't rebalance my wheels because they were so warped! :-(
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« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2004, 06:47:50 PM » |
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GUYS what do you mean when u all say "warp" my english vocab needs some touching up :-)
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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2004, 11:22:29 AM » |
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Ive always heard the drilled were not the best. To go with the slotted because the drilled had more potential to crack. I read this in either Import Racer or Import Tuner. Let me know because after my exhaust, brake mods are my next step.
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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2004, 12:36:59 PM » |
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Of course drilled can crack that is a reason I keep stressing the importance of the build quality when purchasing performance rotors.
Warping is when the Rotor surface becomes irregular due to heating and cooling from braking. This can be identified by pulsating brake pedal or Pulling to one side while braking.
I know nothing of rebalincing warped wheels :?
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« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2004, 10:59:21 AM » |
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Is this group buy still on? How much for the Brembo cross-drilled cadmium plated KVR machined, for a 2k Rolla? I might be able to afford this mod.
I don't mean to jack this thread, does anyone know about rear brake conversions? Its definitely a mod I want to do in the future. Its almost time for me to replace my drums so I thought I would go ahead and check into this.
Thanks peeps.
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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2004, 02:27:40 PM » |
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hey nick maybe u should into to see if u can get a group buy started cause i will like a pair also. i want to get da ones xavier got cause i can use my stocks calipers and just get better pads. or buy the ones from toyota... or anybody else who has connects maybe can see we can start a groub buy?  |
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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2004, 02:46:03 PM » |
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Concerning brake pads, has anyone tried the EBC "Green stuff" or "Red stuff"? They advertize 80% less brake dust and improved braking. Just curious, I get tired of cleaning brake dust of my rims.
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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2004, 02:56:43 PM » |
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There are two versions of those pads out there. You don't want the old formula. You want the ones that say ceramic on them. Some ProRally drivers have sworn their lives by them.
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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2004, 03:10:30 PM » |
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There are two versions of those pads out there. You don't want the old formula. You want the ones that say ceramic on them. Some ProRally drivers have sworn their lives by them. Thanks Dennis. Ive been wondering about them for awhile now. Just didnt worry about asking because I had not gotten to the brake mods yet. I guess since it will be time to replace mine soon I should start considering which I will be going with. Thanks again. |
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